Thanks for the replies. If I pick up a vex or get one for Christmas, I'll keep it in mind that I should pick up the s cable. Last year the only ice I was able to get on was around docks in some marinas and the water was fairly shallow. My old lil green box lowrance fish Lo-k-tor just couldn't cut it in 10 FOW. I still had my camera so it wasn't all bad. I would like to have both a flasher and the camera though.